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    "transcript": "Literally, it looked like Cyclops was shooting a purple ray into her face and she was just like she was like, \"I got it.\" Fast forward end of the drone. I'm looking over. I'm like, \"Where's me?\" She's like way over on the other side of the stage like just like holding it down power stance. I'm [Music] like, \"Turn, thank you for joining us, man. We appreciate it. It's nice to see you. Welcome back with new music.\" Um, nice to meet most of you in person. I think the last time I saw you, I was  mad wasted. at Coachella. No, was it Foggnaw? Foggnore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I attached myself to you like a limpit. No. What? I just told you like, \"Oh my god, your best for like 5 minutes.\" But that's what music does to me. And uh it it feels like proper band 2.0 now. It doesn't feel like, \"Okay, we're making good on this album. We're out here touring. We're doing our thing. We're figuring it out.\" Like, I know it's probably felt like this for a while, but it was great for us to actually finally get confirmation this year that you're now a member of the band. So, congratulations for that. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Which is beautiful. Beautiful. So, I kind of want to stay in that space for a second because I love the romance of that of joining one of your favorite bands. I think it's such an incredible thing. And so, um, let's just talk a little bit about that experience getting to the point from playing the shows with the with the fellas and knowing it's working for you and for them. But, yeah, I guess you never know if it's actually going to be an official thing for a while. It's true. Yeah. and you know playing with the band for a couple years at this point and I I think it's just about now 2 years since I went out to Baltimore for the first time practiced then we started the Blink 182 tour. Um I think that was like April May 2023. Um yeah and it kind of feels like no time at all but also so much happened in that time. So yeah, the Baltimore show the other day at the Dell was the I guess the first official show um where I'm like in the band. That's crazy. What an incredible first show to do officially in the band, too. Yeah. I didn't even realize until the show was happening. I was like, \"Oh, hang on a second. This is like kind of the inauguration right now. Let's get into it. Let's talk about the space between the last album and this one. Things kind of changed, Brendan, to some degree, right? And it's not like they changed overnight. You've been building this for a long time and playing shows and committed to this for a long time. But I saw you multiple times on that tour and it felt like it something was changing. Did it feel that way from the stage? Did it feel that way in in in real time? Yeah, it felt like things were changing uh as far as opportunities and visibility. I think like we constantly kind of talk about like, you know, in in a lot of ways things just from our perspective feel the same, especially having been playing in band since we were kids and touring full-time for so long. Um, but the last few years definitely were kind of a a kind of wo moment when you're just realizing like, oh, how are we playing in an arena right now? or how are we playing this festival, you know, not in the parking lot stage, you know, and there's definitely a lot of um amazing opportunities and visibility and new people and that I think honestly I think we're all still trying to process um cuz it's like it's very just very different but you know in a lot of ways it's like you know um even playing at home the other day it's just you know it I think It it affirms that things are different and the same at the same time, you know, when like all of our families and friends and people we grew up and the music scene we grew up are there, but also like in what world 10 years ago would we have played and over 10,000 people showed up in in Baltimore? It's just not really a reality that we're used to. Do you know what I hope it feels like for for my friends in bands when they get that point where is I hope it feels like we're going to be okay. Do you know what I mean? cuz there's so much risk that you take and I don't think enough is put into this and you're not thinking about when you're young and just doing what you love and you look back on it you start to mature in your life it's like yeah you back yourself it's a risk you're not going into the ecosystem where they tell how you're going to get a regular paycheck and this and this and this and this and this where the comfort is you're like we're going to get in a van even just driving from one state to the other is a risk you know I mean I risk it all for them and I was um speaking to you like when you were saying what felt like change like when We were touring off the the the end of the glow on thing, the plink 182 together, we got ourselves really solid together on stage. So going into like a space where we get afforded the opportunity to take our time and create and like make something else new, I felt like we all just were working together. That felt like the biggest change to like we were working like I felt really really braided together coming off a blink into a creative period with the gang and like us that whole that whole end of the live era like making that feel good that atmosphere feel good before we went to go be creative it felt like our just our synergy was just 10 times did did going out and and sort of doing that tour connecting with Megan making sure you knew you had a future and you had a great member in the band and that you could continue to play great shows and where it goes from there we'll see but doing it with Blink and and going into arenas and seeing that kind of experience, you know, must have been fun. They're good guys. I mean, they're obviously Blink 182. They're in Blink 182 world, but they're good human beings. It must have been nice to kind of get a taste of that. And what did it feel like when you started playing those kind of sized places and you didn't have the pressure of being on your shoulders, which news flash, it might be now going forward? You might, you know, arena is great. You know, who knows? when you shake your head. I mean, you my point is you'll be able to say no, but you might be able to say yes as well. So, how did it feel doing those kind of shows and making that transition and and you know, doing the the blink tour? It was just like I think for us, we just love kind of venturing into uncharted territory because I think it's what keeps it keeps things feeling alive. And that was one where too we're like in that time period we had talked about not playing any shows but we're also like in what world are we going to get to like play in this context and the context of an arena is not necessarily like our our comfort zone when it comes to like everyone kind of in seats and stuff like that but it did feel like a new experience and I think we're always kind of like very intentional about making sure that experiences are always new. So I think for us we were like and I remember we tal we always joke about it because the like the first night that was like the first time the first show me played with us and the lights were like insane like the lights were like all in our face and they were all around the stage and we're all blinded the whole time. Welcome to the big time baby. And like we get off we get off stage and like and all of our heads were like that was the craziest like both like discombobulating experience ever. And me just gets off she's like oh that was great. And we're like, Meg, it's not always like that. She's like, \"Okay, I'm glad.\" I wasn't going to say anything, but I just thought that's what it was. I was like, because me's just like, \"What else do I say?\" She going to come off and go, \"That sucked. That was an awful experience. I didn't know any different.\" I was just like, \"I guess that's how it is. I'm going to have to get used to this every night.\" It's it is the crossroads between creativity and commerce in a very real way. Cuz when you get to just play shows in an environment where the music feels normal and the lights don't aren't blinding you and it doesn't feel like it all has to be far more consumerf facing, do you know what I mean? like you can make it. People want to come see you in a place like Baltimore. People were losing their  cuz you were there and you were in control and it was your situation. It was daytime. There was just nothing apart from great music and great energy. But at the arena, it's like we got to reach the people in the back. So, it can be an uncomfortable experience, right? In order to achieve that goal. That's kind of like how people sort of have to just accept it. I mean, that summer was like definitely a masterclass of of existing in that space. Like Riding with Blink, they're great people, but they also like their supporting cast. Everything they do behind the scenes is like very like sharp and like it's it was cool to be in a situation where you have to learn how to like mend your creative way to a different lens. Like everybody got together after that show in Chicago, which it was dope because it was Meg's first time with us. We're playing music where Jordan dunked so many times, but it's like, how do we make our thing suited to their outfit? You know, that I watched them change the lights. I watched Jim go through like stay up all night redesigning this. Like, the dedication to like learning the craft of playing in that environment was like, I don't know. It was legendary watching everybody like grow like that way. Like, yeah, the our show in the park is insane. like who's about to just throw the stage up and play. But going to that show and like facing the lights in Chicago or going back the second night in Chicago where the show was sold out again and having a different angle and like the next six nights I'm watched them try like soon as we got the sound check. Can we get on stage? Yeah, really that I think that was a very very valuable lesson that summer like and how to like express your creativity through different like get it to look different ways. How did you take that into the creative experience of being turnstyle? How did you take that into the studio then? Did you go straight into the studio or did you take some time in between the road and and and the new album? We never really like go into a studio with like, okay, let's go into a studio and make a record. It's kind of like going into the studio is usually a result of a few years of being like, okay, there's a record that exists now. So I think over the last few years like songs were happening and songs from the past that existed but weren't ready yet started to kind of come back into the picture and um songs from Glow On as well like songs you had in the cannon from previous kind of Yeah. even before that. Some some that had kind of existed as just little thoughts and um you know, and that's kind of always happened with every record that we've done where there be like a little um like a little little piece of something that doesn't really make sense yet, but then ends up on the record like a couple years later. That's pretty much happened with every record that we've had. Like we even recorded a little like instrumental of this song Underwater Boy that was going to be on our record, Time and Space. Then we like last minute were kind like it's not ready yet. then it made it onto the next album. But um so I think by the time we had kind of had a year where touring wasn't really happening, we were kind of like, \"Okay, this is ready.\" And went into the studio with like an album in in sequence, like kind of ready to go and kind of just spent time living with it. And it makes sense actually because when you listen to the record, the sequencing and the way it all flows, you can tell it's it's not kind of done after the fact. It's not like, \"Oh, we're going to go to the mastering now and how do we make that transition?\" Feels like a complete thought. Definitely. I think it was like very big picture intended very big picture. Everything intended in a very specific context which maybe isn't necessarily built for the the modern day as far as like things are probably looked at with less context because things are so moved so fast. So like things are kind of um a paradox is is is really important. And what's beautiful is that if you can be the paradox to that and make something that's that's worth listening to start to finish and it's of equality, which it is, that works too. Yeah. People love that, too. We all love that, right? We all listen to music in that context and we want to hear it. Definitely, you know. Um Pat, when did it feel like an album for you? When did you feel like, okay, I I feel like I feel comfortable that what we're making as a band here feels like a Turnstyle record, and I feel like I'm in the zone. It's kind of like that before we even maybe maybe the better way to say it is like the second we turn the volume up together as like all right let's get into a room and just start to flesh things out and bring them into the physical world where you can hear someone play the drums to the riff and you can hear how it feels to project your vocals in a place where your your energy is able to release instead of uh in your home studio or in your room or in your car anything like that like where it can where the energy that you imagine is in the song can actually feel room. That's always been the place that you're like, \"Oh okay, now we're like actually like snowballing.\" So, what at what point does does the tone of your guitar start to really make a difference? If you've got the songs, you got the riffs, you got the ideas. At what point do you start looking at your rig and being like, \"Okay, I'm looking for a different feeling here from the sound of what I'm trying to create here and not just the notes.\" probably in that in that first space too because a lot of the stuff when it's when it's demoed out, it's it's never going to be um demoed on the perfect thing in the perfect place or the perfect instrument right away. Um so when you do bring it to life, you're like, \"Oh, actually this can be beefier and this can be stronger or this can actually mellow out a little bit.\" And uh it's always in that first that first like physical realm where you're able to like actually crank up all the way and see how it feels. And um there's always the basis of what has always felt good and what we're always like just love how this sounds forever and ever and ever. But how does that apply that original tone of anything you enjoyed and anything that has been the basis of a turn style song before? How does that apply to this now in this age and this person that we are and how does that feel to your brain? And that's kind of where the new anything that really changes. It's like from the basis changes based on where we are in that moment. And some of it changes dramatically and some of it kind of is still the same base tone basis of the tone. Yeah. Just with like some modding on it, you know? I like the way you referred to it as this person. And I'm not sure if you're referring to the band as a collective human or whether you're referring to yourself as an individual, but I like the idea of that of of everyone kind of representing one kind of common consciousness and ultimately trying to achieve a great result. So, how I mean this is a broad question and open for everybody, but what are some of the keys for your ban of of communicating properly and ensuring that there's a mature discourse about the that gets you to the right result considering that everybody is a musician and everyone's got taste and everyone's got an opinion and everyone wants their  to sound loud as to the mick. That's a joke by the way, but do you know what I mean? There is just simple human nature that has to come into play here. Daniel, I think trust would probably be the biggest aspect, most important aspect of that cuz like there's already luckily and fortunately such um of a of a gel between all of us where we like a lot of the same stuff and then all of us like stuff kind of on the periphery of that. We have some differences but a lot of similarities. Um but it's not locker room talk where it's like turn that off. never gets to that point where I've never had that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, when it when it comes to like being creative and it comes down to the wire of like we have time in a studio and we have these songs that everyone cares about so much on a personal level, on a collective level. Um it's hard when it almost feels like there's like a finite of space like amount of space that a song can exist in. and coming to those decisions. I think it just takes trusting that, you know, someone has an idea and they need to spend some time diving into it, even if there's like a collective um confidence in that this other idea might be good. It's it it's trusting that like the time is is is really worth spent going down a rabbit hole, seeing where it goes. Maybe it leads to somewhere new that we like. Maybe it leads back to that place we were confident with at first, but I mean like open-mindedness like a like a like like a willingness to allow it to ex to to exist even if it's shortlived. Exactly. And you know at the end of the day like what's what's the point in creating something with your best friends if you won't listen to it won't Yeah. Exactly. So, like even if we were all pretty confident on a part and we're like, \"All right, we just have to stick with this thing, but someone felt that their voice wasn't heard, like what was the memory of the song? What's the spirit of that song? It it's probably going to involve some kind of like I don't know, looking back and wishing maybe we tried something else.\" So we like to take the long road as much as possible um for a variety of reasons but that's only done with with I think trusting each other as friends but also respecting each other's like um minds and musical direction and however you come you know however you approach a song whatever that is uh I think we respect it in one another. That's beautiful man. I love the way you refer to the music too as like you know just worshiping at the altar of the song ultimately right. It kind of diffuses the the requirement of ego just just naturally before you even think about it. It's like, well, the song comes first. And especially when you're making it and producing it ultimately yourselves, right? Which is it's one of those moments where I think you have to really take a good long look at yourselves as a team and be like, can we get through this? Cuz producing a record, that's why you have a producer mainly to break up the fights and calm things down and tell you, hey, no, listen, that person is right. This is going to work best for the song. So, does that just come naturally to you? I mean, I probably make too much of a thing of it. like, well, you produced the record yourself, but like why wouldn't you? We've spent so many years kind of just learning and every record is such a learning experience and every tour is. And I think you kind of just over over time picking music, you just figure out more and more like what you want or how you want to do it. And it's going to always change the next time, too. Like how you know, you like even this record experience learned so much and um we'll definitely switch things up in the next time. Um, and I think, um, but with this one, it was very, you know, it's it's sometimes it's a little hard to go in with such a like concise thing and try to explain it to other people. Um, when I feel like we just kind of we just had faith and just trying to just go in there and do it. And do you understand a bit now? Yeah. And it just kind of changes as it goes. I think it always does. I think one thing that like I'm learning more and more and uh kind of experiencing is you start with a simple idea and like okay I want this song to be about this and along the way it just sonically turns into something a little different and you're like oh that's cooler I'm going to kind of lean this way and then the whole meaning of the song actually is like oh it's not about this thing it's actually about this and you kind of just follow it as as a process goes and then you look back on like where you started and like okay it's it started from the same the same it has the same foundation of where it started but like that big picture idea is like fully you know kind of just taken a life of its own. That must be so nice to surprise yourselves and actually take a step back and realize because if you're coming in with a chronological order and you've kind of got it all mapped out and you know we're going to do this in order man we know exactly it's gonna start with never enough it's gonna end with magic man somewhere in the middle and you still get to walk away and take a step back and be like damn it's not where we thought we were going to end up in this in this experience. Yeah. I think we try to be open-minded too. It's like you have such a you spend so much time like thinking about a big picture thing but you don't want to like limit yourself by being like that's the way it's got to be, you know? you want to stay open the entire time, which is so amazing cuz it's it's what the I would consider the sound you make on record to be tight. It's tight. You know what I mean? Like that's one of the things I love about it is that every instrument is singular and holds its place beautifully. You know, sometimes you hear hard rock, don't get me wrong, I'm the world's biggest  deaf tones fan, but sometimes I'm I don't know how many guitars Steph's put on that thing. Whereas with I feel like with a turn style record, it's just like perfect. My favorite thing about this record is I feel like it's the most sonically responsible thing we've done to date. Beautifully made. I love that phrase, too. I mean, but it's like fire. Like, we have these ideas, but then we get to the studio and they mess with like a a crazy phaser pedal from 1980. And then like I watch it like I watch the guitars and Dan's already laid his thing down. And like the way that they collaborate in that area where they have this idea and the whole idea is flipped upside down because they got interested in an analog sound from a pedal they didn't even know existed and they like change like the way they pivot and then we all come together and the other side of that is like so much fun. So good. So much fun when something's exciting. That's probably the favorite our favorite feeling. Especially when you're doing something like recording a record, like when something just gets exciting and everybody's, \"Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Keep keep doing that. Let's keep doing that.\" And then 3 hours later, you're like, \"Wow, that was sick. This part is so sick now.\" It's like, you don't think about anything other than that exciting thing, the thing dangling in front of you. Like, I'm almost there. It's the greatest. It's the greatest. It's why you do back yourself in the beginning. It's why you do leave home and go and throw yourself out into the wider world to see what's possible, you know?  Let's go back. Come on, man. While we got everybody here and it's it feels like it's a it's a it's a like 3.0 of the band. You made your best record. Let's go back to those first shows and just just the stupidity of of the whole exercise, right? Like what it felt like to throw yourselves out into the great wide open. who can start that off and sort of try to build a fairly visceral description of what the very earliest days of the band were like. I was like just started high school the and kind of started going to shows. This older band or this older group of friends started this band Trapped Under Ice. Um made a demo and these are like friends I'm like hanging out in the studio with them making and they kind of like would bring us to shows and stuff like that. And um and you love this band. I was like, \"This is the best thing I've ever heard in my life.\" And these they're only like four years older than me, but at that time I was like, \"These are my these are like the people I'm looking up to the most, you know.\" And then like fast forward two years later, I'm playing in the band because the drummer um my friend Ben like couldn't really tour that much and just got opportunity to leave school and start playing in a band. They say that if you really really care and you're going to make it your life, all you got to do is stick around long enough cuz someone's going to check out. People drop like flies, right? There's Everyone's in a band and they're like, \"Oh, I'm going to college. Ah, I've got a job. Oh, I can't do this. I hate touring. Oh, my ears are busted. Oh, if I stick around long enough, I might get that drum seat. I might get that shot.\" Yeah. It was just like a a cool like and that's all all I wanted to do is play music. I was like kind of not really focused in school at the time and got the opportunity to do a tour and then like wanted to just keep on touring. And that's kind of like how I first saw the world and outside of my little bubble of just growing up in kind of one area and never really traveling much and got to see the world through different like hardcore scenes around the world. You go to Europe, go to Asia, go to um everywhere in the States. Um, and so that's kind of like I think was just kind of a a big learning time. And I think this band was kind of like, you know, started around the time when that band had been touring for a a few years and wanted to kind of just do something um just on the side for fun and just like, you know, with my closest friends that were around me. um and just made a demo and for the first couple years like played only a handful of shows. So we just you know cuz we were all playing in different bands and at one point Daniel was playing in like I think 10 bands or something. Drummers, man. Yeah. If you're good if you're good, you're on the hook. Hang on to the good drummers out there. That's basically it. I went to a gig in Mercury Lounge in New York the other day with a bunch of kids who were like they literally felt like their first ever bill and the three of the four bands had the same drama. That's how it was. We were like we were uh there was this place called the Art Space in Baltimore, Charm City Art Space. And I feel like I've been to multiple shows at that spot. It was like the legendary spot growing up where it was like just one of the spot at a certain period of time there was an era where there was just every show was there every weekend. I feel like I've been to multiple Art Space shows where Dan played in at least three out of the five bands, maybe four. No, all their sets collectively were like the length of one Turn. Yeah. Yeah. Like 15 20 minutes sets each. Also classic. man. Thank god you found Turn. You could have been a working drummer. That's That's a hard life, man. It's a good life, but it's a hard life. I'm blessed. Blessed. Um, so out of the side hustle and into into the moment when you realize, okay, you know, let's let's make the tough decision and break some hearts over here and fill some hearts over here, right? And become a thing and become a real thing. And um, I kind of want to focus in on on you talked about the the the traveling around and kind of being exposed to different elements of the hardcore scene at the time. And that's a thing. That's a that's a real thing if you're in it. The camaraderie is very real. Again, I've got a lot of friends who are in bands like that. Um, and I used to associate with them back in New Zealand. There was a hardcore scene in New Zealand and it was like a real like be a good person, walk the line, rage hard, but don't be a dick. You know what I mean? It's pretty fundamental principles. Not to say everyone walked it, but when you came together as Turnstart, did did you feel like, okay, we want to continue in that legacy, or our aim is to do that, take that into something new? Like, how part of a scene did you feel when you were committed? I think it kind of was more like we kind of just were like we were just playing music to play music. I don't know. I don't know what everyone else's feeling was. Like it was a long time ago now, but I'd never been in a band that ever did this. Like this the only band that really went further west than Indiana. I'm from Columbus, Ohio. Like everybody wanted to do this just because we liked chilling together. I didn't play bass guitar. I didn't play a stringed instrument before this. I was like play the drums like sparingly. But like I don't know, we it never really was like it's never it never felt like something we should go out and do cuz we just like we only wanted to do it with each other. That was really cool. That's I mean and still that's kind of like that's the root of it. That's super how I feel at this point. Like we approach the show like I'm not even worried about the other side but how's it feel? How's it look? Or how's the the record? They spend so much time and like on every idea it's like I only just want to be here just if we do it together. What was it like learning bass on the job? Easy call, dude. The great drummer, great drummer, great air drummer. Same. He gets it on the snare. But these dudes are like very these they're very competent drummers and we all I'm  Denny Cary and Tool on the air drums, bro. And they're good. You know what I mean? Me and Fron used to like when we first start cuz I'm also not a singer, you know? Like I'm drumming is my first thing. And so when we started this band, it's just like, \"All right, I guess I'll sing.\" Cuz that's just how you like starting bands at the time. It's just like, \"All right, let's start a band where I play guitar.\" And you know, that's kind of what this was. All right, see what it sounds like. See what it sounds like. I'll try singing. And like I remember like me and Fran's like just like straight up like looking the first show like just looking backwards just like facing the crowd like very Oh, Brandon's on his Jim Marson right now, man. It was insane that like the kids were we're like there I'm I'm moshing at these shows back then. It's it's whatever year it was. But it's like people know every in Baltimore specifically people really caught on fast. People love Turnstall right away and it was um as a person who was at the shows just to be there and be hyped. It's like everybody knows every word and it's cool to see how those shows look now compared to you know what it what it's become because those shows like even everybody's energy you know on stage you know Dan's probably still hitting it crazy hard and similar uh similarly drumming but yeah I feel like everybody in the band could have played any instrumental done any ro just wanted to make it happen except Dan who was drumming for 12 bands at the time and decided this was the best one. Well, he was playing bass in a band that was his bass. Oh Like all of these all of those bands all like the band that he played bass in and then he played drums in. We all existed like just together. Like I sold the t-shirts for the band that he played the drums in. That's how I even wound up here. And then that band formed another band and they all these two were in a stringed instruments together. So it's like what a life. What a great life, right? And and Meg too. It's like we met Meg through the same kind of flow of just being all right, we're touring, we're going here. Meg plays in a bunch of great bands over there with our group of friends in that scene and like there's like a whole collective of amazing musicians and friends and stuff that we hang out with over there and then did some tours together in like 2018 and then just like oh yeah, Meg should play with us, you know. Well, yeah. Let's just talk about that for a second because we start this conversation revolving around that feeling of luck and of fortune when you get an opportunity to play with a band you love and know that you know you're going to have this great experience in your life. But let's just talk about how  lucky you guys are because you lose a you know a a band member and then you got to go and figure out who's going to that's not an easy thing. I mean it's like chemistry is an interesting thing. Being able to just be happy to do what you're doing and be happy looking forward to what you're about to do. It it requires a certain amount of willingness to throw yourself into the deep end. And with with Meg coming in, it's almost like you have to be ready to just dive in. and diving in literally to like a Blink182 arena show is a hilarious first show. But like when you hit the the common struggles of anything that are involved in being in a band or touring or playing a show, having Meg's uh personality and how she took on every day, you're like, \"Oh my god, that is so awesome.\" It's felt like so easy. Yeah. to have her be right in the fold as like one of the five people in here. Yeah. And uh it just like when the chemistry is good, you don't think about other things, you know? You don't think about like wait it like can you do you know the inner workings of this pedal or this string or whatever. None of that even matters because you're just like it felt so good to just be friends playing music. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And also you can play really really well which really helps as well. But no, I get it. That's what I'm trying to get to as a through line here cuz this is the first time we've met as a band and as you as a band and me is wanting to be in your band. And um and I think it's about the sort of commitment, right? That that often gets overlooked, especially when you start to reach a point where people give a It's like people forget about the commitment and about the years that you spend kind of really doubling down. And the story of friendship being at the core of it is like super inspiring cuz man we really dress music up in a lot of in a lot of things and we forget that really it's just about the experience and it the camaraderie and the experience. What was it what was on the road as we were sort of telling the the band story very briefly? Um were there moments of real kind of danger? Did it get trepidacious at times like when you were touring in vans and and you're like oh like what are we doing? Yes. I'm I mean simply just like without even going any deep at all just driving the Lovelin Pass. Yeah, that's why I said before going from one state to the other is scary. What just in a blizzard randomly just the trailer could just blow off the side of the thing and it's just us and with a 15 passenger with a like air like the nice a kind of nice mattress with a futon thing on top. Like just that alone is just danger. Like I don't even know who let us just be in charge of us in that situation. Did you say who let us be in charge of us? Oh man. Think about what your parents or the people who look after you were going through. They weren't allowed to know. They didn't know that. My mom would text me so often and I understand now. Yeah. Yeah. She'd be know she she knew I did a lot of the night drives like the overnight drives and she'd be texting me. She was like, \"Is someone with you? Shotgun. Are they awake? Are they still awake? Yeah. Can I text them? Yeah. Can I Can I text Pat right now? God bless your mom. Yeah. That's so beautiful. Shout out Miss Vicki. They were at the show in Baltimore, huh? A lot of them. A lot of family and friends. Oh, yeah. Can we try to sum up that experience of what it felt like after that show? Not before cuz everyone's excited for you and they see how big the crowd is. But was there a moment that any of you want to share or collectively want to share where you got to really kind of celebrate together and cuz that that was such a foundational moment. the reason you did it, how many people showed up, the energy they brought, the age of the crowd, the feeling in that field, being at home. Holy man. I mean, it's like you'll never forget it. So, what was it like when you one came together and kind of reflected on it? I mean, it's so overwhelming. I think all of us are still trying to process it. There's just so much at once. Um, it definitely felt like this end of a a movie culmination of like years and years of to tour touring and just making friends and having all these experiences cuz looking throughout the crowd, it's just like a lifetime of people. I just saw a picture of like Joe Mitra who recorded Trap Rice's demo in the crowd and I was like, I haven't seen Joe in eight years or something probably. Just every like walk of life. Imagine what it must have felt like for Joe as well. That's the other thing, you know, to see those your friends kind of go and take that stage and do it and and kind of bring so many people from the city to this place to hear this music that you probably never thought that was going to happen. It was a lot. Um, like just seeing all the the messages people sent afterwards where they were like, you know, I I didn't have time or the physical ability to get up to you and and say hi, but I haven't seen you in years, and I love you. And you know, we had a great time in college when we went to school together and stuff like that where it's like, yeah, it was just a reminder of how much um you know, kind of goes into being in person and and doing something you love and that being a thing that you can share with people, which is I think makes this whole being in a band and making music like really really magical because we share it every day. And so when you see it kind of like come back to you in a way when it's a hometown show and just all the loved ones are there and a whole lot of other people who have no idea what you're doing but they just kind of like you know pierce through into your world uh by chance. It's just I don't know. It's magical. They got it. That was the cool thing I got about it. You could have got 15 20,000 people whatever in a park and everyone's just there cuz it's a spectacle. It's a thing to do. Like they told three friends they tell three friends and next thing you know you got half the crowd. I don't even know who the you are. But I felt like everyone was there cuz they got it. They were like, \"Oh no, we like tipping point. Like this is why we're here. We're going to jump off stage and have a great time.\" There's a lot of first stage dives there. Lots of first stage. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can see it was really cool. Yeah. The ones where people sort of just kind of gently lean back into it. Oh yeah. You got to figure it out sometime, you know. Were you there backstage the entire time? Cuz obviously I know that, you know, you built the stage, you set it all up, everything was there. I love the whole color spectrum that you have at the back and the way that it relates to the videos and everything. when you get to the visuals in the set because that's an underrated part. At least when I talk about Turn Stop, people talk about the energy in the songs and it's very artistic experience, too. So, before we get to that, let's talk about what it felt like when you started seeing people arrive because you can't guarantee that it's going to be as packed as it was. And that's what I love about it is all the pictures. It's not just in front of you. It's It's like boiler room. There was there was no like you couldn't block you can't block off the park. So the where the stage was sat and like in the best way to get you know everybody in the field vertically you enter the park from around from each side from three sides of the of the park. So people were walking behind to get to the front of the stage like the whole the whole day. And but like so it's just so like city that you know barely like it wasn't even that hectic like people already knew like oh that's the that's the guy or those are the people you know just go to your spot you know or they would just say hey what's up and then keep you know it was very like I see you in the neighborhood it's all yeah it's a community so many people it was very very regular but from that vision point everybody just came from each side of the stage it was really Fran was there at 8 a.m. I watched it get full of course from empty and then back to empty. I'd have done the same. He was out there with a saw cutting the the wood on the stage. He was building it. Yeah. This definitely afforded us opportunity to have like very cool like you were saying artistically the execution of that was you know the design and that was just actually the the facade from the video. The video. That's right. Yeah. The film. That's right. Um so it had to be tailored to the to the to the field, you know, like it was cool. It feels cool to have my hands into that and like help produce that way for the gang, too. Yeah. Look, I mean, people lean on this DIY ethic and that sometimes when you get past it and you grow up, it becomes this kind of badge of honor you have to wear and it's like, you know, DIY, whatever, but it's fun. You do it cuz it's fun. You build cuz it's fun. People built ramps to skate on because they wanted to skate on something they  built. Facts. Let's talk about the art, man. Let's talk about the videos. I mean, you've been creating art and visuals and I'm looking at the two of you specifically, but I know, you know, you make decisions as a band, but I mean, I love the Paramore video you did as well. I thought that was really cool. You did a great job with that. And um just exercising that side of your creative spirit, you know? What's that what's that feel like? I feel like the only reason that I've ever felt drawn to do it is just because it feels like such an important extension of the songs themselves, right? um not for any goal to like like this like a dream to be a director or anything, but it's like I think when you make songs you like really really want to um and I used to kind of I remember at one point we were we would talk like man I never want to make a music video because I feel like at that point I was just like where my head was at was that music videos have to be the band playing in a warehouse just doing you know this this kind of like Yeah. an extension of the band not the song. Yeah. And I think like once kind of just like kind of just thinking about it more and like thinking about ways like when you kind of are writing a song I think like a lot of times when writing songs it's like it's can be like not only just sounds but it can be visual too like when you're making something you just feel like you know like this song feels like vast and it feels blue and it feels this and that you know like I'm feeling these things and like what do you what can you do to kind of um build a world around a song that is only existing in your head that like maybe someone maybe could exist for someone else. But like if you can kind of like take the the task to um if you have the energy to do it to kind of like um just try to make as big of a painting as you can with the song and how it makes you feel and all that kind of stuff. And it's always going to be imperfect and different than how you imagine in your head because I think it's impossible to take what you have in your head and make it. Same with like recording like sound of a guitar or drum. You just kind of you just kind of like follow the Well, you know when it's done in the same way. You know when you need to start, right? It's just that that's you can't explain that feeling. Yeah. Even knowing when to stop is always hard too because you're just like that I mean you know very can be very like to an unhealthy extent just like kind of feel like a never- ending process but especially with a group like collectively like once you feel like you've asked every question and you can kind of sit there and just like you know like really feel like any thought that pops into your head is like oh I thought about that. So, you know, that's kind of the point where it's just like you could always keep changing stuff and keep finishing and it's like, does this song need to go somewhere else or like this song is only just this one groove? Does it need to have some big kind of thing? And like it's always amazing to like give yourself time to ask those questions, but um it's also nice to just embrace that whatever it just it is. And um no matter how simple or confusing it is or like how much it doesn't make sense to other people, it's just like this just makes sense to us right now and kind of you know so I think that is true to the music and to a visual world that you can kind if you get the opportunity to kind of like do something with any resources that you have to kind of like and that goes that goes to everything I think with this band as far as like what if we have control of like building a um a lineup on a show that we're doing like what do we want to what kind of what kind of like feeling do we want to create and merch stuff like what do we what do we want it to feel like and you know none of us are professionals at any of this stuff I saying like to to the day one when Fron is learning how to play bass I feel like that's kind of still how I feel like I when people like talk to me about singing I'm like I have no idea like I I have like a warm-up that my friend sent me to help me like and like I've learned learned a couple things on like how to not lose my voice as much, but I'm like I'm just like I'm just figuring it out. So, I remember cuz the first time we ever spoke was the very last minute FaceTime thing and everyone was jumping on and I was so obsessed because I was trying to draw comparisons to vocalists that I love so much in a particular way you mix your vocals and I could just tell you like, \"Yeah, I don't know what the you're talking about, man. I have no no  clue.\" Bro, the one thing for real is they all work so hard. Yeah. that like we all might not be, you know, classically trained at what we're doing, but I am inspired to try hard at my instrument. You I mean, like it's all-encompassing in our band. Like, everybody wants to make everybody's vibe good. So, when it comes to like I I wasn't a bass player before, but I watch Dan practice and I know the reading is there. Like, if I'm really trying to get better, then go get better. And everybody always takes that and runs with it like without even needing to look over at anyone else. I like the way you called the album responsible. Sonically responsible. Sonic Sonic Responsible. Thank you. Yes. Important distinction. Um because I feel like this album, maybe I'm wrong and it's too soon to say, but I feel like you're a weird band. I mean, that is the highest possible compliment. You know what I mean? Like you could do go off and do things and you've shown you have an appetite for that just by the remixes you've chosen to do. Again, the bills you we've played on and all this kind of stuff. Like you obviously like not being predictable. So, I feel like this record is like delivers every element I love about modern turn style, but I don't know where you go next. Do you? No. And I I think that's the exciting part, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think planned. Yeah. We got to do this one first. Yeah. And tour it. Whatever it is, it's like I mean once once your vision what I've learned from them and with them it's like once your vision is captured for a record lifts forever then you get to change its outfit when you play live you change it again when you do the motion pictures to it. So once it still needs to come alive like on the stage. France, can I make an observation? And I want you to take this in the way it's intended, which is the highest form of compliment, is that you're obviously oneif of a really strong friendship here, but I love how you rever your band. I I feel like as long as I've met you on virtually and in person, you you talk about your band like in this form of awe. It's my gang, dude. They're so good. Yeah. I like I rock with them so much. You have moments on stage where you're just looking left and just like right and just like, \"What the fuck?\" Like I said, first show in Chicago, me was like literally it looked like Cyclops was shooting a purple ray into her face and she was just like she was like, I got it. Fast forward end of the jump. I'm looking over. I'm like, where's me? She's like way over on the other side of the stage like just like holding it down power stage. I'm like I just love how you've got the sound man's got the he's got the the the software hack for the like enema of the state lighting rig and you guys are just like what the is this? I mean that's the thing, bro. you know, like we had to do our own thing. That's like that's that was like the part of that is like us doing our own thing. We didn't even use the Cyclop that crazy rig, but just the stage lights were just like she Yeah, that that evolution of person is just Yeah. Once these songs come alive. Oh, yeah. So many. I mean, dude, Sunshow ridiculous. So much fun. What do you learn about yourself through writing the words for these songs? And and do you often surprise yourself that it's kind of like you catch yourself in your subconscious state after the fact when you're writing the songs? Does that make sense? That things are coming out and then you only realize it when you listen back. The process of writing songs is I feel like becoming more and more like for lack of a better term therapeutic where it's like you start in one place and you start with something that's maybe hard to digest or swallow and that's why you you feel inclined to put it into a song. And you know that could start with one kind of like feeling or intention leading the way whether it's anger or um you know anything. And I think through the process it just like do a full 360 while writing a song as far as like now I see it from this way, now I see it from this other person, now I see it from and by the by the end of it it's like you have this kind of song that uh feels like it it for me captures like the process of processing things, you It's like it captures the full spectrum where it's like it's harder for me to write songs now where I kind of just sit into one kind of like one perspective cuz I just spend so much time on like you know write a song and that feels right and I'm like well is that is that how I feel though you know and then kind of like and I I I sometimes like the which is maybe like sometimes it's nice to just have a simple simple feeling and sometimes it can sometimes you do the full circle and you realize you know it's okay just to have that one feeling but like I feel like the process is what makes the music mean something. What is the meaning that you get addicted to, right? Is this the sense of that you've you've you've gotten a feeling when you get to the point where you where you're that good, you can make  sound good, you can get in the room, you can come together, you can make great riffs and make a great sounding song, but once you've actually realized you've dug deep and there's further to go, it just gets harder, which can be kind of paralyzing sometimes. Sometimes you just want to like rock, play a song. But I think and you know and sometimes I like I like being able to make songs in different capacities. I think with this band it's it's it's become more and more that kind of process which sometimes makes it more just more difficult longer for a song to feel right and you like sit with a song for months and months and you're like ah it's not I'm not feeling the connection. Yeah. The intangible just that intangible lack like it's lacking and I don't know what's missing. Yeah. and kind of just embracing that and like knowing that like that if a song's not if that intangible is not there right now then just put it there and maybe it'll be 10 years from now that that'll make sense to you in a different way and you're kind of like you know um or if there is a song that's just very simple and you're like this doesn't sound like anything we've ever done and maybe people are going to hate this but the the intangible is really there for me right now so it's like you know embracing that I remember there was a song that started It's just a just me and a synth in a room just singing and it took it went and it turned into so many different versions that it eventually fully became a different song and then throughout the process just did came right back to me. Is that magic man? Yeah. And just came back to about the original demo that was just me and a Juno. But here's my thing about that, right? And I like this is why I love like that golden era when when the sound of hip-hop and rap music changed and became what people term as trap, which is just 808 music, right? It's just bass music, you know, but it's coming from a different environment. It's a modern perspective on that. And and and sometimes I'd talk to producers who made more complicated music and they'd be like, \"Well, I don't understand.\" And I'd be like, \"No, you don't understand.\" Like like you got to expand it to reduce it. And then by the time you've gone somewhere else and taking it back to its core element, that is all carrying all of that other expansion with it and refining it. It's like you don't just get a Michelin star by putting three ingredients on a plate, man. You have to build it out into a massive experience and then refine and refine and refine and refine and refine. It's a beautiful way to end the album. It's deep way to end album. Yeah. is like that was that definitely took so long to just to realize that like it's okay to just like accept where you started because there is something about like if you have there's something magical about just kind of like something popping in and the natural a natural moment that is just like you don't need to force into something else if it's not meant to be. Wonder if you'll ever start a show. Damn, that would be fire. That'd be cool, right? Yeah, that'd be cool. Glast maybe. Holy  Your first Glastonbury. Your first ride. Come on, dude. Dude, I've been waiting for So, yes. I wouldn't put you through that. Are you going to be there? I wish I was Glastonbury. I haven't been I I did Glastonbury like 20 times when I lived in the UK, man. I did it. I've done the miles. And uh a dude, it's going to be so crazy. You're going to love it. I can't wait. It's going to It's like nothing you've ever experienced before. And um you're going to get to stretch out a little bit as well after your show or before your show, whatever. You're in and out. I know you you you're playing the night before, I think, and then you arrive. Yeah, it's that's a hectic it's a hectic start to that trip. Yeah, it is. I think you were in the Netherlands or something the night before and then you get straight to Glastonbury, maybe. It was cool. The first time we went it was we played like a tent stage and Char it was like Charlie was right after us and it was just like the whole tent was just dude that was insane. Rocking crazy. Um somebody lit a flare inside the tent. They do that in the tent. That was crazy. And then we did a band mission to like, oh, let's go explore and just see it. And then we made it like 500 m. Yeah. Literally nowhere. Yeah. Me and we're like, all right, well that's as far as we're getting cuz of this massive we made it to the donut stand. Got donuts and coffee and we're like, well, there's Kendrick. The first Glastonbury I ever went to finish with a story was 1997. It's a legendary Glastonbury. It's the year radio hit played Okay Computer. is considered one of the greatest music festival headline sets of all time where Tom York flips out, tells him to turn the lights on, realizes that his world has not come to an end, and it goes on to become this legendary experience. And uh on the Friday night, everyone [Music] was real high on drugs. I mean, the entire festival is out of its mind high on drugs. And it has been raining consistently for two days leading up to this this this thing. So that farm, by the way, they put a lot of irrigation in there now and sorted it out. But back then it was like they didn't even have the new fence in. So 100,000 people would jump the fence every year. So it's just like chaos. And the prodigy were on peak era prodigy. So it was just like breathe with me. Everyone's got craziness. mud flying everywhere and it's just like ah and there was this huge big area next to us which was just cuz it's so packed. No one was going there for a  reason and you didn't have to be straight or high to realize like don't go there. But somebody decided like oh shortcut on forget it. roared the back of the crowd, like 200,000 people, and this person just cuts out of the crowd to go across and they went and just disappeared. That happened to Daniel one time. Oh my god. Over their head. Over your head. Over your head. Submerged. Fully submerged. Dude, we played next to this like swamp in Florida and Dan I I don't know. You got blind. Oh, yeah. Tell us. Well, it was like in Florida. No shade Florida. Beautiful. Little shade. Look slightly underneath the need. They need a little bit of shade out there. They got a lot of algae on the top of their bodies of stagnant water. Yeah. There was a cardboard merch box sitting on this thing of algae which I thought was cement. It was like a service road and I was going to the Sonic across the street and I was like, \"Let me just see like I can't jump across this cement road, but I'm going to see like how far I can jump into it as I'm running to Sonic cuz I'm so hungry and I'm excited to eat after the show.\" And I go and I like leap. I go so far into the air and then go down and the second my feet collapse. Collap. Dude, I've never felt that feeling. You think ground is going to be ground and then it's water. And I remember my phone was in my hand. I was like shooting my phone the top like don't get my phone wet, but no. I just went completely in swamp plant, dude. Swamp. It was crazy. How long did it take you to realize, okay, I may not be alone right now in this water? Um, I didn't even think I was just embarrassed. Oh, I'd have been like Scooby-Doo scrambling out of that thing. I did get out and I looked around. I was like, \"Did anyone see me just now?\" I never Doesn't matter. You're completely drenched. How you going to explain it anyway? Someone was just watching me and he was like his jaw was like to the floor and he was like, \"What are you are are you okay, dude?\" France got me a new wallet the next day from REI. Thank you, France. See, real friendship, my guy.  hell. That's scary as heck. It was kind of scary, bro. I've driven that stretch between one side of Florida to the other. You know, it's all completely concrete off on either side. You're like, \"Why is it all like why is it all those things on there?\" And then they're like, \"You really want to know?\" I'm like, \"Well, I've asked a question.\" I tell me, and they're like, \"Well, cuz at night, you know, the the gators are so big that they cross the road.\" And then if a lot of times cars hit them and they  flip, but then guess who guess who's fine? The gator. The gator. Yeah. The gator. So, you're upside. were upside down and guess what happens next? That's terrifying. That happens. I've seen a couple dead ones on the Blink tour. I remember driving through Florida, getting up early on the bus to look out the window and see being like, why are there why is there like fence on either side of the highway and then the signs and then a couple dead alligators along there being like where the am I? Yeah. Yeah. The the the big ones are they're trying to they're hungry. You don't have gators in London? Uh no. No, not really. Yeah. No gators in London. in the river teams. Yeah, exactly. Just don't swim in it. Don't let them Don't Don't believe other stuff in there. Yeah, I mean people go fishing in that thing. Yeah, they do. Friend of mine swam across that one time from one side to the next. He was in a hospital for 2 days. It's been good to see you and I've really enjoyed hanging out and getting to know you uh in person and uh I mean you said it beautifully before. I felt like I already knew you and um you know you don't have to talk cuz dude, everyone just loves what you're doing and where you're at. But thanks for indulging in me and having a conversation. I appreciate it. That was  amazing. Hope you know that. Thank you so much.",
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        "text": "as far as like things are probably looked at with less context because things are so moved so fast. So like things are kind of um a paradox is is is"
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        "text": "really important. And what's beautiful is that if you can be the paradox to that and make something that's that's worth listening to start to finish and it's of equality, which it is,"
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        "text": "that works too. Yeah. People love that, too. We all love that, right? We all listen to music in that context and we want to hear it. Definitely, you know."
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        "text": "imagine is in the song can actually feel room. That's always been the place that you're like, \"Oh okay, now we're"
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        "text": "like actually like snowballing.\" So, what at what point does does the tone of your guitar start to really make a difference? If you've got the songs, you got the riffs, you got the ideas. At what point do you start looking at your"
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        "text": "rig and being like, \"Okay, I'm looking for a different feeling here from the sound of what I'm trying to create here and not just the notes.\" probably in"
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        "text": "that in that first space too because a lot of the stuff when it's when it's demoed out, it's it's never going to be"
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        "text": "um demoed on the perfect thing in the perfect place or the perfect instrument right away. Um so when you do bring it"
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        "text": "to life, you're like, \"Oh, actually this can be beefier and this can be stronger or this can actually mellow out a little bit.\" And uh it's always in that first"
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        "text": "that first like physical realm where you're able to like actually crank up all the way and see how it feels. And um there's always the basis of what has"
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        "text": "always felt good and what we're always like just love how this sounds forever and ever and ever. But how does that"
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        "text": "apply that original tone of anything you enjoyed and anything that has been the basis of a turn style song before? How"
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        "text": "does that apply to this now in this age and this person that we are and how does that feel to your brain? And that's kind"
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        "text": "of where the new anything that really changes. It's like from the basis changes based on where we are in that moment. And some of it changes"
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        "text": "dramatically and some of it kind of is still the same base tone basis of the tone. Yeah. Just with like some modding"
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        "text": "on it, you know? I like the way you referred to it as this person. And I'm not sure if you're referring to the band as a collective human or whether you're referring to yourself as an individual, but I like the idea of that of of"
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        "text": "everyone kind of representing one kind of common consciousness and ultimately trying to achieve a great result. So, how I mean this is a broad question and"
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        "text": "open for everybody, but what are some of the keys for your ban of of communicating properly and ensuring that"
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        "text": "there's a mature discourse about the that gets you to the right result considering that everybody is a musician and everyone's got taste and everyone's"
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        "text": "got an opinion and everyone wants their  to sound loud as to the mick."
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        "text": "That's a joke by the way, but do you know what I mean? There is just simple human nature that has to come into play here. Daniel, I think trust would"
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        "text": "probably be the biggest aspect, most important aspect of that cuz like there's already luckily and"
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        "text": "fortunately such um of a of a gel between all of us where we like a lot of"
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        "text": "the same stuff and then all of us like stuff kind of on the periphery of that."
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        "text": "We have some differences but a lot of similarities. Um but it's not locker room talk where it's like turn that off. never gets to that point where I've never had that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."
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        "text": "But yeah, when it when it comes to like being creative and it comes down to the wire of like we have time in a studio and we have these songs that everyone"
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        "text": "cares about so much on a personal level, on a collective level. Um it's hard when"
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        "text": "it almost feels like there's like a finite of space like amount of space that a song can exist in. and coming to those decisions. I think it just"
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        "text": "takes trusting that, you know, someone has an idea and they need to spend some time diving into it, even if there's like a"
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        "text": "collective um confidence in that this other idea might be good. It's it it's trusting that like the time is is is"
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        "text": "really worth spent going down a rabbit hole, seeing where it goes. Maybe it leads to somewhere new that we like."
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        "text": "Maybe it leads back to that place we were confident with at first, but I mean like open-mindedness like a like a like"
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        "text": "like a willingness to allow it to ex to to exist even if it's shortlived."
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        "text": "Exactly. And you know at the end of the day like what's what's the point in creating something with your best friends if you won't listen to it won't"
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        "text": "Yeah. Exactly. So, like even if we were all pretty confident on a part and we're like, \"All right, we just have to stick with this thing, but someone felt that"
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        "text": "their voice wasn't heard, like what was the memory of the song? What's the spirit of that song? It it's probably going to involve some kind of like I"
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        "start_time": 973000,
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        "text": "don't know, looking back and wishing maybe we tried something else.\" So we like to take the long road as much as"
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        "text": "possible um for a variety of reasons but that's only done with with I think trusting each other as friends but also"
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        "text": "respecting each other's like um minds and musical direction and however you come you know however you approach a"
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        "text": "song whatever that is uh I think we respect it in one another. That's beautiful man. I love the way you refer to the music too as like you know just"
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        "text": "worshiping at the altar of the song ultimately right. It kind of diffuses the the requirement of ego just just naturally before you even think about it. It's like, well, the song comes"
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        "text": "first. And especially when you're making it and producing it ultimately yourselves, right? Which is it's one of those moments where I think you have to really take a good long look at yourselves as a team and be like, can we"
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        "text": "get through this? Cuz producing a record, that's why you have a producer mainly to break up the fights and calm things down and tell you, hey, no, listen, that person is right. This is"
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        "text": "going to work best for the song. So, does that just come naturally to you? I mean, I probably make too much of a thing of it. like, well, you produced the record yourself, but like why"
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        "text": "wouldn't you? We've spent so many years kind of just learning and every record is such a learning experience and every tour is. And I think you kind of just"
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        "text": "over over time picking music, you just figure out more and more like what you want or how you want to do it. And it's going to always change the next time,"
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        "text": "too. Like how you know, you like even this record experience learned so much and um we'll definitely switch things up"
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        "text": "in the next time. Um, and I think, um, but with this one, it was very, you know, it's it's sometimes it's a little"
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        "text": "hard to go in with such a like concise thing and try to explain it to other people."
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        "text": "Um, when I feel like we just kind of we just had faith and just trying to just go in there and do it. And do you"
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        "text": "understand a bit now? Yeah. And it just kind of changes as it goes. I think it always does. I think one thing that like"
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        "text": "turns into something a little different and you're like oh that's cooler I'm going to kind of lean this way and then the whole meaning of the song actually is like oh it's not about this thing"
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        "text": "it's actually about this and you kind of just follow it as as a process goes and then you look back on like where you started and like okay it's it started"
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        "text": "from the same the same it has the same foundation of where it started but like that big picture idea is like fully you know kind"
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        "text": "of just taken a life of its own. That must be so nice to surprise yourselves and actually take a step back and realize because if you're coming in with a chronological order and you've kind of got it all mapped out and you know we're"
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        "text": "going to do this in order man we know exactly it's gonna start with never enough it's gonna end with magic man somewhere in the middle and you still get to walk away and take a step back and be like damn it's not where we"
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        "text": "thought we were going to end up in this in this experience. Yeah. I think we try to be open-minded too. It's like you have such a you spend so much time like"
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        "text": "thinking about a big picture thing but you don't want to like limit yourself by being like that's the way it's got to be, you know? you want to stay open the entire time, which is so amazing cuz"
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        "text": "it's it's what the I would consider the sound you make on record to be tight."
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        "text": "It's tight. You know what I mean? Like that's one of the things I love about it is that every instrument is singular and holds its place beautifully. You know, sometimes you hear hard rock, don't get"
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        "text": "me wrong, I'm the world's biggest  deaf tones fan, but sometimes I'm I don't know how many guitars Steph's put on that thing. Whereas with I feel like with a turn style record,"
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        "text": "it's just like perfect. My favorite thing about this record is I feel like it's the most sonically responsible thing we've done"
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        "text": "to date. Beautifully made. I love that phrase, too. I mean, but it's like fire."
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        "text": "Like, we have these ideas, but then we get to the studio and they mess with like a a crazy phaser pedal from 1980."
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        "text": "And then like I watch it like I watch the guitars and Dan's already laid his thing down. And like the way that they collaborate in that area where they have"
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        "text": "this idea and the whole idea is flipped upside down because they got interested in an analog sound from a pedal they didn't even know existed and they like"
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        "text": "change like the way they pivot and then we all come together and the other side of that is like so much fun. So good. So much fun when something's exciting."
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        "text": "That's probably the favorite our favorite feeling. Especially when you're doing something like recording a record, like when something just gets exciting"
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        "text": "and everybody's, \"Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Keep keep doing that. Let's keep doing that.\" And then 3 hours later, you're like, \"Wow, that was sick. This part is so"
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        "text": "sick now.\" It's like, you don't think about anything other than that exciting thing, the thing dangling in front of you. Like, I'm almost there. It's the greatest. It's the greatest. It's why you do back yourself in the beginning."
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        "start_time": 1252000,
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        "text": "It's why you do leave home and go and throw yourself out into the wider world to see what's possible, you know?"
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        "text": " Let's go back. Come on, man. While we got everybody here and it's it feels like it's a it's a it's a like 3.0 of the band. You made your best record."
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        "text": "Let's go back to those first shows and just just the stupidity of of the whole exercise, right? Like what it felt like"
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        "text": "to throw yourselves out into the great wide open. who can start that off and sort of try to build a fairly visceral description of what the very earliest"
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        "text": "days of the band were like. I was like just started high school the and kind of started going to shows. This older band"
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        "text": "or this older group of friends started this band Trapped Under Ice. Um made a demo and these are like friends I'm like hanging out in the studio with them making and they kind of like would bring"
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        "text": "us to shows and stuff like that. And um and you love this band. I was like, \"This is the best thing I've ever heard in my life.\" And these they're only like"
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        "text": "four years older than me, but at that time I was like, \"These are my these are like the people I'm looking up to the most, you know.\" And then like fast"
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        "text": "forward two years later, I'm playing in the band because the drummer um my friend Ben like couldn't really tour that much and just got opportunity to"
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        "text": "leave school and start playing in a band. They say that if you really really care and you're going to make it your life, all you got to do is stick around long enough cuz someone's going to check"
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        "text": "out. People drop like flies, right? There's Everyone's in a band and they're like, \"Oh, I'm going to college. Ah, I've got a job. Oh, I can't do this."
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        "text": "I hate touring. Oh, my ears are busted."
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        "text": "Oh, if I stick around long enough, I might get that drum seat. I might get that shot.\" Yeah. It was just like a a cool like and that's all all I wanted to"
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        "text": "do is play music. I was like kind of not really focused in school at the time and got the opportunity to do a tour and then like wanted to just keep on"
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        "text": "touring. And that's kind of like how I first saw the world and outside of my little bubble of just growing up in kind"
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        "text": "of one area and never really traveling much and got to see the world through different like hardcore scenes around"
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        "text": "the world. You go to Europe, go to Asia, go to um everywhere in the States."
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        "text": "Um, and so that's kind of like I think was just kind of"
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        "text": "a a big learning time. And I think this band was kind of like, you know, started around the time when that band had been"
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        "text": "touring for a a few years and wanted to kind of just do something um just on the side for fun and just like, you know,"
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        "text": "with my closest friends that were around me."
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        "text": "um and just made a demo and for the first couple years like played only a handful of shows. So we just you know"
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        "text": "cuz we were all playing in different bands and at one point Daniel was playing in like I think 10 bands or something. Drummers, man. Yeah. If"
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        "text": "you're good if you're good, you're on the hook. Hang on to the good drummers out there. That's basically it. I went to a gig in Mercury Lounge in New York the other day with a bunch of kids who"
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        "text": "were like they literally felt like their first ever bill and the three of the four bands had the same drama."
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        "text": "That's how it was. We were like we were uh there was this place called the Art Space in Baltimore, Charm City Art Space. And I feel like I've been to"
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        "text": "multiple shows at that spot. It was like the legendary spot growing up where it was like just one of the spot at a certain period of time there was an era where there was just every show was there every weekend."
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        "text": "I feel like I've been to multiple Art Space shows where Dan played in at least three out of the five bands, maybe four."
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        "text": "No, all their sets collectively were like the length of one Turn. Yeah. Yeah."
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        "start_time": 1462000,
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        "text": "Like 15 20 minutes sets each. Also classic. man. Thank god you found Turn. You could have been a working drummer. That's That's a hard life, man."
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        "text": "It's a good life, but it's a hard life."
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        "text": "I'm blessed. Blessed. Um, so out of the side hustle and into into the moment when you realize, okay, you know, let's"
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        "text": "let's make the tough decision and break some hearts over here and fill some hearts over here, right? And become a thing and become a real thing. And um,"
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        "text": "I kind of want to focus in on on you talked about the the the traveling around and kind of being exposed to different elements of the"
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        "text": "hardcore scene at the time. And that's a thing. That's a that's a real thing if you're in it. The camaraderie is very real. Again, I've got a lot of friends who are in bands like that. Um, and I"
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        "text": "used to associate with them back in New Zealand. There was a hardcore scene in New Zealand and it was like a real like be a good person, walk the line,"
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        "text": "rage hard, but don't be a dick. You know what I mean? It's pretty fundamental principles. Not to say everyone walked it, but when you came together as Turnstart, did did you feel like, okay,"
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        "text": "we want to continue in that legacy, or our aim is to do that, take that into something new? Like, how part of a scene did you feel when you were committed? I"
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        "text": "think it kind of was more like we kind of just were like we were just playing music to play music. I don't know. I don't know what everyone else's feeling was. Like it was a long time ago now,"
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        "text": "but I'd never been in a band that ever did this. Like this the only band that really went further west than Indiana."
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        "text": "I'm from Columbus, Ohio. Like everybody wanted to do this just because we liked chilling together. I didn't play bass guitar. I didn't play a stringed"
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        "text": "That was really cool. That's I mean and still that's kind of like that's the root of it. That's super how I feel at this point. Like we approach the show like I'm not even worried about the"
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        "text": "other side but how's it feel? How's it look? Or how's the the record? They spend so much time and like on every idea it's like I only just want to be"
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        "text": "here just if we do it together. What was it like learning bass on the job?"
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        "text": "Easy call, dude. The great drummer, great drummer, great air drummer."
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        "text": "Same. He gets it on the snare. But these dudes are like very these they're very competent drummers and we all I'm  Denny Cary and Tool on the air drums, bro. And they're good."
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        "text": "You know what I mean? Me and Fron used to like when we first start cuz I'm also not a singer, you know? Like I'm drumming is my first thing. And so when"
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        "text": "we started this band, it's just like, \"All right, I guess I'll sing.\" Cuz that's just how you like starting bands at the time. It's just like, \"All right, let's start a band where I play guitar.\" And you know, that's kind of what this was. All right, see what it sounds like."
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        "text": "See what it sounds like. I'll try singing. And like I remember like me and Fran's like just like straight up like looking the first show like just looking"
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        "text": "backwards just like facing the crowd like very Oh, Brandon's on his Jim Marson right now, man."
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        "text": "It was insane that like the kids were we're like there I'm I'm moshing at these shows back then. It's it's"
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        "text": "whatever year it was. But it's like people know every in Baltimore specifically people really caught on fast. People love Turnstall right away"
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        "text": "and it was um as a person who was at the shows just to be there and be hyped."
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        "text": "It's like everybody knows every word and it's cool to see how those shows look now compared to you know what it what"
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        "text": "it's become because those shows like even everybody's energy you know on stage you know Dan's probably still"
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        "text": "hitting it crazy hard and similar uh similarly drumming but yeah I feel like everybody in the band could have played"
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        "text": "any instrumental done any ro just wanted to make it happen except Dan who was drumming for 12 bands at the time and decided this was the best one. Well, he was playing bass in a band that was his"
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        "text": "bass. Oh Like all of these all of those bands all like the band that he played bass in and then he played drums in. We all existed like just together."
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        "text": "Like I sold the t-shirts for the band that he played the drums in. That's how I even wound up here. And then that band formed another band and they all these"
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        "text": "two were in a stringed instruments together. So it's like what a life. What a great life,"
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        "text": "right? And and Meg too. It's like we met Meg through the same kind of flow of just being all right, we're touring, we're going here."
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        "text": "Meg plays in a bunch of great bands over there with our group of friends in that scene and like there's like a whole collective of amazing musicians and friends and stuff that we hang out with"
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        "text": "over there and then did some tours together in like 2018 and then just like oh yeah, Meg should play with us, you know. Well, yeah. Let's just talk about"
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        "text": "that for a second because we start this conversation revolving around that feeling of luck and of fortune when you get an opportunity to play with a band you love and know that you know you're"
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        "start_time": 1746000,
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        "text": "going to have this great experience in your life. But let's just talk about how  lucky you guys are because you lose a you know a a band member and then"
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        "text": "you got to go and figure out who's going to that's not an easy thing. I mean it's like chemistry is an interesting thing."
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        "text": "Being able to just be happy to do what you're doing and be happy looking forward to what you're about to do. It it requires a certain amount of willingness to throw yourself into the"
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        "text": "deep end. And with with Meg coming in, it's almost like you have to be ready to"
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        "text": "just dive in. and diving in literally to like a Blink182 arena show is a hilarious first show. But like when you"
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        "text": "hit the the common struggles of anything that are involved in being in a band or touring or playing a"
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        "text": "show, having Meg's uh personality and how she took on every day, you're like,"
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        "text": "\"Oh my god, that is so awesome.\" It's felt like so easy. Yeah. to have her be right in the fold as like one of the"
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        "text": "five people in here. Yeah. And uh it just like when the chemistry is good, you don't think about other things, you"
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        "text": "know? You don't think about like wait it like can you do you know the inner workings of this pedal or this string or whatever."
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        "text": "None of that even matters because you're just like it felt so good to just be friends playing music. Yeah. You know?"
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        "text": "Yeah. And also you can play really really well which really helps as well. But no, I get it. That's what I'm trying to get to as a through line here cuz this is the first time we've met as"
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        "text": "a band and as you as a band and me is wanting to be in your band. And um and I think it's about the sort of commitment, right? That that often gets overlooked,"
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        "text": "especially when you start to reach a point where people give a It's like people forget about the commitment and about the years that you spend kind of really doubling down. And the story"
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        "text": "of friendship being at the core of it is like super inspiring cuz man we really dress music up in a lot of in a lot of things and we forget that really"
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        "text": "it's just about the experience and it the camaraderie and the experience. What was it what was on the road as we were sort of telling the the band story very briefly? Um were there moments of real"
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        "text": "kind of danger? Did it get trepidacious at times like when you were touring in vans and and you're like oh like what are we doing? Yes. I'm I mean"
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        "text": "simply just like without even going any deep at all just driving the Lovelin Pass. Yeah, that's why I said before going from one state to the other is scary. What just in a blizzard randomly"
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        "text": "just the trailer could just blow off the side of the thing and it's just us and with a 15 passenger with a like air like"
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        "text": "the nice a kind of nice mattress with a futon thing on top. Like just that alone is just danger. Like I don't even know"
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        "text": "who let us just be in charge of us in that situation. Did you say who let us be in charge of us?"
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        "text": "Oh man. Think about what your parents or the people who look after you were going through. They weren't allowed to know. They didn't know that. My mom"
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        "start_time": 1920000,
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        "text": "would text me so often and I understand now. Yeah. Yeah. She'd be know she she knew I did a lot of the night drives like the overnight drives and she'd be"
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        "text": "texting me. She was like, \"Is someone with you? Shotgun. Are they awake? Are they still awake? Yeah. Can I text them? Yeah. Can I Can I text Pat right now?"
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        "text": "God bless your mom. Yeah. That's so beautiful. Shout out Miss Vicki. They were at the show in Baltimore, huh? A lot of them. A lot of family and friends. Oh, yeah. Can we try to sum up that experience of what it felt like"
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        "text": "after that show? Not before cuz everyone's excited for you and they see how big the crowd is. But was there a moment that any of you want to share or collectively want to share where you got"
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        "text": "to really kind of celebrate together and cuz that that was such a foundational moment. the reason you did it, how many people showed up, the"
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        "text": "energy they brought, the age of the crowd, the feeling in that field, being at home. Holy man. I mean, it's like you'll never forget it. So, what"
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        "text": "was it like when you one came together and kind of reflected on it? I mean, it's so overwhelming. I think all of us are still trying to process it. There's"
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        "text": "just so much at once. Um, it definitely felt like this end of a a movie culmination of"
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        "text": "like years and years of to tour touring and just making friends and having all these experiences cuz looking throughout"
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        "text": "the crowd, it's just like a lifetime of people. I just saw a picture of like Joe Mitra who recorded Trap Rice's demo in"
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        "text": "the crowd and I was like, I haven't seen Joe in eight years or something probably. Just every like walk of life."
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        "text": "Imagine what it must have felt like for Joe as well. That's the other thing, you know, to see those your friends kind of go and take that stage and do it and and"
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        "text": "kind of bring so many people from the city to this place to hear this music that you probably never thought that was"
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        "text": "going to happen. It was a lot. Um, like just seeing all the the messages people sent afterwards where they were like,"
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        "text": "you know, I I didn't have time or the physical ability to get up to you and and say hi, but I haven't seen you in years, and I love you. And you know, we"
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        "text": "had a great time in college when we went to school together and stuff like that where it's like, yeah, it was just a reminder of how much um you know, kind"
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        "text": "of goes into being in person and and doing something you love and that being a thing that you can share with people,"
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        "text": "which is I think makes this whole being in a band and making music like really really magical because we share it every"
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        "text": "day. And so when you see it kind of like come back to you in a way when it's a hometown show and just all the loved ones are there and a whole lot of other"
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        "text": "people who have no idea what you're doing but they just kind of like you know pierce through into your world uh by chance. It's just I don't know. It's"
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        "text": "magical. They got it. That was the cool thing I got about it. You could have got 15 20,000 people whatever in a park and everyone's just there cuz it's a spectacle. It's a thing to do. Like they"
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        "text": "told three friends they tell three friends and next thing you know you got half the crowd. I don't even know who the you are. But I felt like everyone was there cuz they got it. They were like, \"Oh no, we like tipping point. Like this is why we're here."
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        "text": "We're going to jump off stage and have a great time.\" There's a lot of first stage dives there. Lots of first stage. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can see"
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        "text": "it was really cool. Yeah. The ones where people sort of just kind of gently lean back into it. Oh yeah. You got to figure it out sometime, you know. Were you there backstage the entire time? Cuz"
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        "text": "obviously I know that, you know, you built the stage, you set it all up, everything was there. I love the whole color spectrum that you have at the back and the way that it relates to the videos and everything. when you get to the visuals in the set because that's an"
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        "text": "underrated part. At least when I talk about Turn Stop, people talk about the energy in the songs and it's very artistic experience, too. So, before we get to that, let's talk about what it"
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        "text": "felt like when you started seeing people arrive because you can't guarantee that it's going to be as packed as it was."
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        "text": "And that's what I love about it is all the pictures. It's not just in front of you. It's It's like boiler room."
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        "text": "people were walking behind to get to the front of the stage like the whole the whole day. And but like so it's just so"
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        "text": "like city that you know barely like it wasn't even that hectic like people already knew like oh that's the that's the guy or those are the people you know"
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        "text": "just go to your spot you know or they would just say hey what's up and then keep you know it was very like I see you in the neighborhood it's all yeah it's a community so many people it was very"
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        "text": "very regular but from that vision point everybody just came from each side of the stage it was really Fran was there at 8 a.m. I watched it get full of"
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        "text": "course from empty and then back to empty. I'd have done the same. He was out there with a saw cutting the the wood on the stage. He was building it."
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        "text": "Yeah. This definitely afforded us opportunity to have like very cool like you were saying artistically the"
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        "text": "execution of that was you know the design and that was just actually the the facade from the video. The video. That's right. Yeah. The film."
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        "text": "That's right. Um so it had to be tailored to the to the to the field, you know, like it was cool. It feels cool to have my hands into that and like help produce that way for the gang, too."
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        "text": "Yeah. Look, I mean, people lean on this DIY ethic and that sometimes when you get past it and you grow up, it becomes this kind of badge of honor you have to wear and it's like, you know, DIY,"
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        "text": "whatever, but it's fun. You do it cuz it's fun. You build cuz it's fun."
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        "text": "People built ramps to skate on because they wanted to skate on something they  built. Facts. Let's talk about the art, man. Let's talk about the videos. I mean, you've been creating art"
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        "text": "and visuals and I'm looking at the two of you specifically, but I know, you know, you make decisions as a band, but I mean, I love the Paramore video you did as well. I thought that was really"
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        "text": "cool. You did a great job with that. And um just exercising that side of your creative spirit, you know? What's that what's that feel like? I feel like the"
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        "text": "only reason that I've ever felt drawn to do it is just because it feels like such an important extension of the songs themselves, right?"
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        "text": "um not for any goal to like like this like a dream to be a director or anything, but it's like I think when you"
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        "text": "make songs you like really really want to um and I used to kind of I remember at one point we were we would talk like man"
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        "text": "this kind of like Yeah. an extension of the band not the song. Yeah. And I think like once kind of just like kind of just"
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        "text": "can be like not only just sounds but it can be visual too like when you're making something you just feel like you"
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        "text": "know like this song feels like vast and it feels blue and it feels this and that you know like I'm feeling these things"
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        "text": "and like what do you what can you do to kind of um build a world around a song that is"
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        "text": "only existing in your head that like maybe someone maybe could exist for someone else. But like if you can kind"
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        "text": "um just try to make as big of a painting as you can with the song and how it makes you feel and all that kind of stuff. And it's always going to be"
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        "text": "imperfect and different than how you imagine in your head because I think it's impossible to take what you have in your head and make it. Same with like recording like sound of a guitar or"
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        "text": "drum. You just kind of you just kind of like follow the Well, you know when it's done in the same way. You know when you need to start, right? It's just that that's you can't explain that feeling."
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        "text": "Yeah. Even knowing when to stop is always hard too because you're just like that I mean you know very can be very"
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        "text": "like really feel like any thought that pops into your head is like oh I thought about that. So, you know, that's kind of the point where it's just like you could"
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        "text": "always keep changing stuff and keep finishing and it's like, does this song need to go somewhere else or like this song is only just this one groove? Does it need to have some big kind of thing?"
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        "text": "And like it's always amazing to like give yourself time to ask those questions, but um it's also nice to just embrace that"
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        "text": "whatever it just it is. And um no matter how simple or confusing it is or like how much it doesn't make"
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        "text": "sense to other people, it's just like this just makes sense to us right now and kind of you know so I think that is"
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        "text": "true to the music and to a visual world that you can kind if you get the opportunity to kind of like do something with any resources that you have to kind"
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        "text": "of like and that goes that goes to everything I think with this band as far as like what if we have control of like building a"
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        "text": "um a lineup on a show that we're doing like what do we want to what kind of what kind of like feeling do we want to create and merch stuff like what do we"
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        "text": "what do we want it to feel like and you know none of us are professionals at any of this stuff I saying like to to the"
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        "text": "day one when Fron is learning how to play bass I feel like that's kind of still how I feel like I when people like talk to me about singing I'm like I have"
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        "text": "no idea like I I have like a warm-up that my friend sent me to help me like and like I've learned learned a couple things on like how to not lose my voice"
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        "text": "as much, but I'm like I'm just like I'm just figuring it out. So, I remember cuz the first time we ever spoke was the very last minute FaceTime thing and"
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        "text": "everyone was jumping on and I was so obsessed because I was trying to draw comparisons to vocalists that I love so much in a particular way you mix your vocals and I could just tell you like,"
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        "text": "\"Yeah, I don't know what the you're talking about, man. I have no no  clue.\" Bro, the one thing for real is they all work so hard. Yeah."
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        "text": "that like we all might not be, you know, classically trained at what we're doing, but I am inspired to try hard at my"
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        "text": "instrument. You I mean, like it's all-encompassing in our band. Like, everybody wants to make everybody's vibe good. So, when it comes to like I I"
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        "text": "wasn't a bass player before, but I watch Dan practice and I know the reading is there. Like, if I'm really trying to get better, then go get better. And everybody always takes that and runs"
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        "text": "with it like without even needing to look over at anyone else. I like the way you called the album responsible."
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        "start_time": 2532000,
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        "text": "Sonically responsible. Sonic Sonic Responsible. Thank you. Yes. Important distinction."
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        "text": "Um because I feel like this album, maybe I'm wrong and it's too soon to say, but I feel like you're a weird band. I mean, that is the highest possible compliment."
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        "text": "You know what I mean? Like you could do go off and do things and you've shown you have an appetite for that just by the remixes you've chosen to do. Again, the bills you we've played on and all"
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        "text": "this kind of stuff. Like you obviously like not being predictable. So, I feel like this record is like delivers every"
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        "text": "element I love about modern turn style, but I don't know where you go next. Do you?"
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        "text": "No. And I I think that's the exciting part, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think planned. Yeah. We got to do this one first. Yeah. And tour it."
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        "text": "Whatever it is, it's like I mean once once your vision what I've learned from them and with them it's like once your"
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        "text": "vision is captured for a record lifts forever then you get to change its outfit when you play live you change it again when you do the motion pictures to it."
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        "text": "So once it still needs to come alive like on the stage. France, can I make an observation? And I want you to take this in the way it's intended, which is the"
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        "text": "highest form of compliment, is that you're obviously oneif of a really strong friendship here, but I love how you rever your band. I I feel like as long as I've met you on virtually and in"
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        "text": "person, you you talk about your band like in this form of awe. It's my gang, dude. They're so good. Yeah. I like I rock with them so much. You have moments"
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        "text": "on stage where you're just looking left and just like right and just like, \"What the fuck?\" Like I said, first show in Chicago, me was like literally it looked"
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        "text": "like Cyclops was shooting a purple ray into her face and she was just like she was like, I got it. Fast forward end of the jump. I'm looking over. I'm like,"
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        "text": "where's me? She's like way over on the other side of the stage like just like holding it down power stage. I'm like I just love how you've got the sound man's"
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        "text": "got the he's got the the the software hack for the like enema of the state lighting rig and you guys are just like what the is this? I"
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        "text": "mean that's the thing, bro. you know, like we had to do our own thing. That's like that's that was like the part of that is like us doing our own thing. We"
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        "text": "didn't even use the Cyclop that crazy rig, but just the stage lights were just like she Yeah, that that evolution of person is just Yeah. Once these songs come alive. Oh, yeah."
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        "text": "So many. I mean, dude, Sunshow ridiculous."
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        "text": "So much fun. What do you learn about yourself through writing the words for these songs? And and do you often surprise yourself that it's kind of like"
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        "text": "you catch yourself in your subconscious state after the fact when you're writing the songs? Does that make sense? That"
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        "text": "things are coming out and then you only realize it when you listen back. The process of writing songs is I feel like"
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        "text": "becoming more and more like for lack of a better term therapeutic where it's like you start in one place and you start with something"
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        "text": "that's maybe hard to digest or swallow and that's why you you feel inclined to put it into a song."
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        "text": "And you know that could start with one kind of like feeling or intention leading the way whether it's anger or um"
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        "text": "from this other person, now I see it from and by the by the end of it it's like you have this kind of song that"
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        "text": "uh feels like it it for me captures like the process of processing things, you It's like it captures the full spectrum"
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        "text": "you know write a song and that feels right and I'm like well is that is that how I feel though you know and then kind of like and I I I sometimes like the"
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        "text": "which is maybe like sometimes it's nice to just have a simple simple feeling and sometimes it can sometimes you do the full circle and you realize you know it's okay just to have that one feeling"
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        "text": "but like I feel like the process is what makes the music mean something. What is the meaning that you get addicted to, right? Is this the sense of that you've"
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        "text": "you've you've gotten a feeling when you get to the point where you where you're that good, you can make  sound good, you can get in the"
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        "text": "room, you can come together, you can make great riffs and make a great sounding song, but once you've actually realized you've dug deep and there's further to go, it just gets harder,"
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        "text": "which can be kind of paralyzing sometimes. Sometimes you just want to like rock, play a song. But I think and you know and sometimes I like I like"
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        "text": "just more difficult longer for a song to feel right and you like sit with a song for months and months and you're like ah it's not I'm not feeling the connection."
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        "text": "Yeah. The intangible just that intangible lack like it's lacking and I don't know what's missing. Yeah."
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        "text": "and kind of just embracing that and like knowing that like that if a song's not if that intangible is not there right"
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        "text": "now then just put it there and maybe it'll be 10 years from now that that'll make sense to you in a different way and you're kind of like you know um or if"
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        "text": "there is a song that's just very simple and you're like this doesn't sound like anything we've ever done and maybe people are going to hate this but the the intangible is really there for me"
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        "text": "right now so it's like you know embracing that I remember there was a song that started It's just a just me and a synth in a room just singing and"
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        "text": "it took it went and it turned into so many different versions that it eventually fully became a different song"
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        "text": "and then throughout the process just did came right back to me. Is that magic man? Yeah. And just came back to about the original demo that was just me and a"
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        "text": "Juno. But here's my thing about that, right? And I like this is why I love like that golden era when when the sound of hip-hop and rap music changed and"
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        "text": "became what people term as trap, which is just 808 music, right? It's just bass music, you know, but it's coming from a different environment. It's a modern perspective on that. And and and"
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        "text": "sometimes I'd talk to producers who made more complicated music and they'd be like, \"Well, I don't understand.\" And I'd be like, \"No, you don't understand.\" Like like you got to expand it to reduce"
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        "text": "it. And then by the time you've gone somewhere else and taking it back to its core element, that is all carrying all of that other expansion with it and"
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        "text": "refining it. It's like you don't just get a Michelin star by putting three ingredients on a plate, man. You have to build it out into a massive experience and then refine and refine"
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        "text": "and refine and refine and refine. It's a beautiful way to end the album. It's deep way to end album. Yeah. is like that was that definitely"
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        "text": "took so long to just to realize that like it's okay to just like accept where you started because there is something"
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        "text": "about like if you have there's something magical about just kind of like something popping in and the natural a natural moment that is just like you"
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        "text": "don't need to force into something else if it's not meant to be. Wonder if you'll ever start a show. Damn, that would be fire. That'd be cool, right?"
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        "text": "Yeah, that'd be cool. Glast maybe. Holy  Your first Glastonbury. Your first ride. Come on, dude. Dude, I've been"
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        "start_time": 2949000,
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        "text": "waiting for So, yes. I wouldn't put you through that. Are you going to be there?"
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        "text": "I wish I was Glastonbury. I haven't been I I did Glastonbury like 20 times when I lived in the UK, man. I did it. I've done the miles. And uh a dude, it's"
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        "text": "going to be so crazy. You're going to love it. I can't wait. It's going to It's like nothing you've ever experienced before. And um you're going to get to stretch out a little bit as well after your show or before your"
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        "text": "show, whatever. You're in and out. I know you you you're playing the night before, I think, and then you arrive."
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        "text": "Yeah, it's that's a hectic it's a hectic start to that trip. Yeah, it is. I think you were in the Netherlands or something the night before and then you get straight to Glastonbury, maybe. It was"
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        "text": "cool. The first time we went it was we played like a tent stage and Char it was like Charlie was right after us and it was just like the whole tent was just"
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        "start_time": 2991000,
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        "text": "dude that was insane. Rocking crazy. Um somebody lit a flare inside the tent."
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        "start_time": 2997000,
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        "text": "They do that in the tent. That was crazy. And then we did a band mission to like, oh, let's go explore and just see it. And then we made it like 500 m."
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        "text": "Yeah. Literally nowhere. Yeah. Me and we're like, all right, well that's as far as we're getting cuz of this massive"
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        "text": "we made it to the donut stand. Got donuts and coffee and we're like, well, there's Kendrick. The first Glastonbury I ever went to finish with a story was"
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        "text": "1997. It's a legendary Glastonbury. It's the year radio hit played Okay Computer."
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        "text": "is considered one of the greatest music festival headline sets of all time where Tom York flips out, tells him to turn the lights on, realizes that his world has not come to an end, and it goes on"
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        "text": "to become this legendary experience. And uh on the Friday night, everyone"
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        "text": "was real high on drugs. I mean, the entire festival is out of its mind high on drugs. And it has been"
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        "text": "raining consistently for two days leading up to this this this thing. So that farm, by the way, they put a lot of irrigation in there now and sorted it"
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        "text": "Submerged. Fully submerged. Dude, we played next to this like swamp in Florida and Dan I I don't know. You got blind. Oh, yeah. Tell us. Well, it was like in Florida. No shade Florida."
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        "text": "into it as I'm running to Sonic cuz I'm so hungry and I'm excited to eat after the show.\" And I go and I like leap. I go so far into the air and then go down and the second my feet collapse. Collap."
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        "text": "How long did it take you to realize, okay, I may not be alone right now in this water? Um, I didn't even think I was just embarrassed. Oh, I'd"
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        "text": "have been like Scooby-Doo scrambling out of that thing. I did get out and I looked around. I was like, \"Did anyone see me just now?\" I never Doesn't matter. You're completely"
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        "text": "drenched. How you going to explain it anyway? Someone was just watching me and he was like his jaw was like to the floor and he was like, \"What are you are"
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        "text": "are you okay, dude?\" France got me a new wallet the next day from REI. Thank you, France. See, real friendship, my guy."
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        "text": " hell. That's scary as heck. It was kind of scary, bro. I've driven that stretch between one side of Florida to the other. You know, it's all completely"
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        "text": "concrete off on either side. You're like, \"Why is it all like why is it all those things on there?\" And then they're like, \"You really want to know?\" I'm like, \"Well, I've asked a question.\" I tell me, and they're like, \"Well, cuz at"
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        "text": "I've seen a couple dead ones on the Blink tour. I remember driving through Florida, getting up early on the bus to look out the window and see being like, why are there why is there like fence on"
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        "text": "either side of the highway and then the signs and then a couple dead alligators along there being like where the am I? Yeah. Yeah. The the the big ones are"
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        "text": "they're trying to they're hungry. You don't have gators in London? Uh no. No, not really. Yeah. No gators in London."
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        "text": "in the river teams. Yeah, exactly. Just don't swim in it. Don't let them Don't Don't believe other stuff in there."
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        "text": "Yeah, I mean people go fishing in that thing. Yeah, they do. Friend of mine swam across that one time from one side to the next. He was in a hospital for 2 days. It's been good to see you and I've"
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        "text": "really enjoyed hanging out and getting to know you uh in person and uh I mean you said it beautifully before. I felt like I already knew you and"
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        "text": "um you know you don't have to talk cuz dude, everyone just loves what you're doing and where you're at. But thanks for indulging in me and having a conversation. I appreciate it. That was  amazing. Hope you know that."
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